it's bigger even than the one -- it's slightly bigger even than the one between lloyd benson and dan quail back in 1988. and it's more than twice the disparity between dick chaney and john edwards when they debated eight years ago. so, that's one of the things we should be looking for. interestingly, the surrogate that paul ryan chose was an older man. ted olson, the former solicitor general. so both of them chose people to practice against that had the same kind of age disparity that they'll face onstage tonight. >> we also looked at the numbers of debate viewership and the 2008 vice presidential debate got more viewers on television than any of the series of presidential debates. 70 million, the highest of the presidential was 63 million. but in most years the numbers are lower for the vice presidential debates than they are for the presidential one. how has social media and viewing on the internet and mobile devices changed the whole scenario -- poll scenario this time around? >> it's really made the -- you know, the social media has sped up everything, right? it sped up the news